Jim Richardson <warlock@xxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
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> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:56:10 +0100,
> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> ____/ Jim Richardson on Sunday 30 September 2007 05:47 : \____
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>>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:57:48 +0100,
>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> ____/ Jim Richardson on Sunday 30 September 2007 03:34 : \____
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>>>>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:48:21 +0100,
>>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> ____/ Jim Richardson on Saturday 29 September 2007 20:47 : \____
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>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:21:01 +0100,
>>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ____/ Mark Kent on Saturday 29 September 2007 09:31 : \____
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>>>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> One of my best friends has been using Linspire for years, now.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Works for him...
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >It does. But Apple OS X also works as a BSD. But it's not open
>>>>>>>>>>> >source. It's aggressive lock-in and restriction of choice. We're
>>>>>>>>>>> >back were we started -- another Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He's not locked in. He could switch tomorrow to another distro, if
>>>>>>>>>>> he wanted to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's sorta like saying you're not locked into Windows because you
>>>>>>>>>> can switch to OSX/Linux/BSD.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bad driving is bad driving even if it's not Micro$oft at the wheel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I quite agree. I don't know if you saw my other posting, but I was
>>>>>>>>> highlighting that lock-in is about an exit barrier. That might be the
>>>>>>>>> cost of replacing packages you've already bought, or the cost of
>>>>>>>>> replacing hardware, or the cost of redoing work which is stuck in
>>>>>>>>> proprietary formats, or the cost of paying for tools to unpick those
>>>>>>>>> proprietary formats, and so on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The point being that there is always lock-in, it's a question of how
>>>>>>>>> large the exit barrier is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linspire supports OOXML (translators). If that's not a lockin, I don't
>>>>>>>> know what is. It also enabled Microsoft to pretend that OOXML is
>>>>>>>> supported by other companies, which fills our world with even /more/
>>>>>>>> vendor lockin. Let's not even go into Linspire's proprietary codecs...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So when there's an ooxml translator for OOorg, that means any Linux
>>>>>>> distro with OOorg is "locking in" their users?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ODF is an international standard supported by a large variety of
>>>>>> office suites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Total non-sequitur. How does supporting ooxml mean a distro is "locking
>>>>> in their users" When OOrg on the distro you use can support ooxml, does
>>>>> that mean you are locked it?
>>>>
>>>> There are two ways to look at this:
>>>>
>>>> 1. A distro that supports OOXML (or proprietary codecs for that
>>>> matter
>>>> inhibits it.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Support for OOXML has assisted attempts to make OOXML, which is
>>>> vendor dependent and patent-encumbered, more widespread.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd prefer you simply answer the question,
>>>
>>> When OOrg on the distro you use can support ooxml, does that mean you
>>> are locked it?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> This question is rhetorical and you are not asking the right one. I believe I
>> never suggested this and I don't know how it came to you cornering me with an
>> implicit accusation that I consider OOo a lock-in.
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> I was asking you to explain your claim that Linspire was locking it's
> users in, in responce, you stated that Linspire supported an OOXML
> translator for OOorg, I then asked if you considered any distro that
> supported an OOXML translator for OOorg to be "locking in" it's users?
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Yes, it is. How high is the exit barrier should be your question.
Obviously, there *is* an exit barrier, but you seem to struggle to grasp
the concept.
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